2x2 Conventions

Conventions of the 2x2 religion are the annual gatherings of the 2x2 overseers, workers, their elders, the friends of the workers and are held on convention grounds owned by professing people or a trust.

When Did Conventions Start?

Being raised in a professing home, I knew that we were against church buildings. And supposedly Sunday morning meetings were a continuation of passover (of sorts). So the biggest question I had as a kid and adult were "Where are conventions in the Bible?".

Well, where are conventions in the Bible? I've never had this question answered by anyone. You may have wondered this too. Especially since we condemned church property. Didn't the workers preach that preacher who preached in church buildings were going to hell? And wasn't it the workers also who said that preachers had to preach what the congregations wanted to hear in order to get enough money in collections to pay for the buildings? So then, why would we have all this church property for conventions and convention grounds and then only use them four about 4 - 8 days a year for convention times? If church buildings which were used year around were a burden to churches and caused temptations to preachers to pander to the rich in the congregation, then what does that say about conventions, conventions grounds and church property that were only used a few days out of the year and took weeks of preparations? Why would we condemn others and continue to do something even more foolish ourselves?

Sometimes workers would refer to the Feasts of the LORD as being like conventions or conventions being like those feasts. But that wasn't the case. There were many feasts of the LORD throughout the year, and were celebrated at harvest time, passover, last gathering of harvest etc. And during Passover feast, no leavened bread was to be eaten. At conventions we ate leavened bread etc. Conventions are nothing like the feasts of the LORD. Sure, a lot of people remember convention hash, but that doesn't put it in the Bible. LOL.

When I learned that William Irvine was a worker in the Faith Mission and that the Faith Mission had conventions, then it made sense. I get it now. William Irvine just copied the idea of workers in pairs, and also the idea of conventions from the Faith Mission for which he used to preach. The Faith Mission still has workers and conventions. Why were conventions held in big tents? Hmm...same answer. The Faith Mission had tent missions. And today, looking on their website, they still have tent missions. www.faithmission.org

Church Convention Grounds - Church Property

The place where conventions are held are called "Convention grounds". They generally consist of several acres of land, a huge meeting tent or meeting barn or the latest and greatest a meeting hall, a convention kitchen for serving hundreds of people, men's quarters for all the brother workers, sister's quarters for all the sister workers, rooms for senior workers and visiting workers, toilet facilities, RV parking and hookups, parking for many automobiles and so on. While the workers may preach that people who have church buildings are going to hell, they make exceptions for their convention grounds.

Related Church Property

In addition to the buildings, there is quite a bit of church property. There are hundreds of benches and chairs for the meeting hall, sound systems with many speakers, wires, cables, electricity hookups, PA systems, microphones etc, serving pans, serving utensils, hundreds of eating trays, hundreds of silverware sets, hundreds of cups, dozens of water pitchers, cooking utensils, pots, pans, wash basins, steamers, cookers, ovens, stoves, refrigeration units, beds, sheets, blankets, pillows, mattresses, power tools, extension cords, dish cleaning stations, dish washing stations, dish sterilization stations, drying tables, sorting tables, food preparation tables and the list goes on


There is one main reason for conventions: to encourage young people to sacrifice their life for the overseer by going into the work. This is done through 2-4 days of isolation from normal life, sustained brainwashing through uninterrupted monologues and lifting up of the workers. Successful recruitment for the work, as the call it, involves a candidate to sell their home, land, property, business, and other "worldly belongings" except for suit, tie, luggage, briefcase etc and give all the money to the overseer to become a worker and collect money for the overseer.

Finding a Date

The second main purpose of convention is to give young professing kids a place to go to find a spouse. Also, non-professing kids are encouraged to attend in hopes they will meet a professing person and come to meetings to profess in order to marry. Since the 2x2s are encouraged by the overseers and workers to only marry within "the fold" / their denomination, then the young professing kids need to interact and meet more people than just what they find in their local Sunday morning meetings, Sunday gospel meetings etc and convention is just the place for that, or so the workers think.

Conventions By Overseers and Workers- Purpose

The idea of conventions was copied from the Faith Mission to which William Irvine originally belonged. The purpose of conventions by William Irvine was to foster an environment that encourages stronger mind control than in the other meetings and the presence of their "spirit" strong enough to get their followers to become workers like them. And of course, when the people believe they need to sell all, they get the money.

Conventions requires providing for all their food and then brain washing them for hours on end for several days. Here's the routine: they feed them breakfast, 2 hours brainwashing in morning meeting, lunch, 2 hours brain washing at afternoon meeting, supper, brainwashing in evening meeting, hot chocolate, and then they go to sleep. Now imagine this for three days straight. Three days of brainwashing three times a day and being surrounded by professing people who are friends of the workers has a very powerful effect on naive, poor children. The workers don't want people to leave the convention grounds because the want the friends to get the full effect of the conventions. Conventions were used by William Irvine from the very beginning to gain workers. These people who "offered for the work" had to sell everything and give it to William Irvine to become workers. A couple hundred years later, people who want to become workers are still required to sell everything before they can become a worker. This is a prominent feature of cults. This gives the overseers and older brothers more control and power over these peoples lives.

Conventions - Twisted Scriptures

For all the obsession that workers have over "meetings in the home", there is no scripture that even they can twist to support their annual conventions. I looked in the Bible for "conventions" or anything like conventions and did not find anything. The only thing the workers have to talk about even close to conventions are the holy feasts of the LORD that were appointed at specific times during the year. But having looked at the feasts, they are nothing like conventions. The workers and their followers eat leavened bread during conventions, they do not fast and they most certainly do not offer sacrifices to the God of heaven. In fact, from the behavior exhibited by workers, I don't believe the workers even know God. They seem to be just blindly following the traditions they have learned from the early workers. Monkey see- monkey do.

Conventions of the workers and the friends do not follow any practice or commandment or tradition of the apostles at all. Jesus Christ never taught or set up 2x2 convention grounds. Jesus Christ never collected money to build convention buildings. Jesus Christ didn't gather money from a church and use it to make a few private individuals wealthy. If you think you have some Bible verses to support the 2x2 conventions fully, just put them in the contact form at the bottom of this page with your name and contact information and send them to me.

Conventions - Young Adults and Sex

Some young adults use a convention as an excuse for unsupervised absence from their parents from which the young men and women cover their sexual activities. Which makes perfect sense because some workers do this too. Young men and women may go together on road trips together without their parents around, getting a motel along the way. Or may leave the convention to engage in their activities while their parents think that they are at convention.

CONVENTIONS - Child Sexual Abuse

See Bob Williston - Convention and also Raped at Convention

If you have gone to conventions in California, please see Ruben Mata

Conventions - a Time for Workers to Play "House"

Workers at preps (preps is short for "preparations" or the preparing of the convention land for the convention) times conventions are like little kids "playing house". It is one of the few times that they construct, maintain and build things.

Hooking Up

Young single people go to conventions in other states to find a spouse. As one man said "If you want to find peaches, go to the orchard". Many young girls find it easy to hookup, exchange email addresses and IDs for chat sessions and video exchanges. It is no surprise the the young folks use conventions as a place to hookup based on what happens with the workers.

Conventions - Time of Year

Conventions are held annually and convention dates are set by overseers working together. They are timed so that 2x2 overseers and 2x2 workers can travel through the US and other parts of the world and attend the conventions sequentially for almost a whole year. This is similar to how a rock band would tour the country, so in the same way overseers and workers tour the country with conventions. On occasion, there may be two or three smaller conventions happening at the same time in which case the workers are divided among the smaller conventions.

Convention Locations

Conventions are located at a place determined by the overseer on property that is usually "owned" by an individual or by a trust controlled by an elder of whom the overseer trusts. The property and buildings may have been paid for in full or part by the friends collections. Sometimes 2x2 overseers or the older brothers provide money for property and buildings. 2x2 overseers are very careful to choose a place where the owner is very convinced of the cult's indoctrination. They are usually held at the same location from year to year because of all the property accumulated and work that has gone into improving the buildings for eating, sleeping and 2x2 indoctrination.

The Naming of Conventions

Often the place where the conventions are held are called "convention grounds" or "the grounds" by the friends of the workers. More specifically, the conventions are named after the city they are located in or around. For conventions that are spread out over two weeks, the title may include a number to specify the first or second week of it's proceedings. For example, "Boring I" would be the first week of the convention located in Boring, Oregon, and Boring 2 would be the second week.

Financing of Conventions

With all the people and meals to be served as required by the overseer, it creates a large demand for money. From my experience, the money is brought by the friends and handed to the workers in envelopes. The financing of conventions is not public. No records are kept for the friends to review. Again, the 2x2 religion is a for-profit enterprise of the overseers. Also, older brothers at the direction of the 2x2 overseer may ask the all the 2x2 "home convention" workers at the convention to give them all their money. They then take whatever money they want and give some money back to each individual. This was my experience at the Boring Oregon Conventions and the experience of hundreds of other workers.

Convention Property - Dispute of Ownership

Sometimes when the owners of the convention grounds leaves the cult and decides to sell the property, then there is a dispute as to who owns what when the workers have given money to build church buildings on it.

Convention Land and Property

Sometimes the workers or overseers will give money to the owners to buy some property or help make mortgage payments. I have heard during preaching at Boring Oregon the debate as to whether the workers own the convention grounds or if it is actually owned by the individuals whose name is on the title because the workers have given them so much money. There are no publicized records of where the money comes from to build these huge buildings for the purpose of meeting once a year. The group has often denounced Christian churches for building churches that they use every day. But this group spends tens of thousands of dollars on buildings and supplies that are used for maybe 2 weeks out of the year.

Convention Tool Property

The group claims to have no common church property specifically for the group, but it is obvious that when they purchase supplies for a huge convention, it is not for the cows in the field or the trees growing in the nursery. Sometimes in the shops, the tools will be labeled "Boring Convention Grounds" or "Boring Convention" or "Convention" to distinguish tools donated by followers for use during the preparations for the conventions.

Convention Furnishings

Because there are many people that attend the convention, there is a large quantity of chairs and benches. This is also the group's joint property. It is certain that these benches and chairs are not for the cows or trees on the land.

2x2 Conventions and the IRS

It would be interesting to see what an IRS agent could find on tax deductions of convention ground owners.

Some of many Conventions in the Northwest

Dennis and Zoe Rumsey of Boring, Oregon are part of this group. They "own" the "convention grounds" at Boring Oregon where many members of the group meet once a year.

Boring Oregon Convention

Dennis and Zoeanne Rumsey 17905 SE Tickle Creek Road Boring, OR 97009 503-658-2000

Parma Idaho 2x2 Convention

Dave Waldo 32279 Apple Valley Road Parma, ID 83660 208-722-5513

Saginaw Oregon 2x2 Convention

Milo LiaBraaten 32852 Saginaw W. Road Saginaw, OR 97472 541-942-3264 Here's a partial list of

Western 2x2 Conventions in the US

Casa Grande, AZ
Shelter Valley, CA
Buttonwillow, CA
Mountain Ranch, CA
Juneau, AK
Bonners Ferry, ID
Chelan, WA
Walla Walla, WA
Devon, MT
Post Falls, ID
Parma, ID
Chugwater, WY
Dagman, MT
Manhattan, MT
Cody, WY
Wasilla, AK
Cody, WY
Wasilla, AK
Milltown, WA
Olympia, WA
Saginaw OR
Boring OR
Honolulu, HI

Parma Idaho
Happy Texas Convention
George Town Texas Convention
Mountain Peak Texas Convention
Texarkana Texas Convention

Western Canadian Conventions

Mellowdale, AB Theodore, SK Prince George, BC Hythe, AB Greenshields, AB Emo, ON Salmon Arm, BC Didsbury, AB Smeaton, SK Bowsman, MB Didsbury, AB Aylesbury, SK Portage la Prairie, MB Duncan, BC Glen Valley, BC
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Convention Day

Convention Photos


Bonners Ferry

Buttonwillow Ca

Chelan, WA



Parma ID

Quakertown PA

Newry PA

Walla walla, WA

Salvisa, KY

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